Last update April 8, 2006
Items for Discussion
(topics to promote thought and conversation)
  • There is a book that was produced by Eimac back in 1967 called "Care and Feeding of Power Grid Tubes". The complete book is available, in sections, in pdf format from the following address (click on the "Care & Feeding" link on the left): http://www.cpii.com/eimac/

    This should be required reading for anyone contemplating building an amp. Section 4 is of particular interest and Section 4.1.1, page 19, applies to the triode tube.

  • This is a complete scan of the original Care and Feeding document in PDF. It is 174 pages and over 40 megabytes - CLICK HERE
    http://www.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/~drkirkby/data/Eimac/care_and_feeding_of_power_grid_tubes.pdf


  • IMD - InterModulation Distortion - What is it and how do I prevent it? IMD is the result of mixing within the amp. Read more HERE.

  • How do I tap my coil in the plate tank? What size caps should I use for C1 and C2? This is a question that many builders never understand. One of the biggest mistakes made is thinking that the amp should operate with the plate tuning capacitor, C1, set to mid range on each band. There are several good resources for determining the right place for your coil taps and the value of the plate tune, C1, and load, C2, capacitors. Before you begin, remember that these things are determined through a process that insures that your tank circuit will operate with proper Q. The importance of maintaining the proper Q can't be stressed enough. If your Q is too high, you will have very high circulating currents in the tank. These high currents can heat the components to the point that they melt the solder right out of the connections. If your tank Q is too low, tuning will be extremely broad, efficiency will be low and supression of harmonics and other spurious emissions will be poor. Design your tank for a Q between 12 and 15 for best operation.

    The links below will give you tools to calculate values for your tank circuit:

  • How do I test my power transformer? Most folks can't test much beyond output volts without some kind of test equipment. I have built a High Voltage Dummy Load which comes in very handy. Here are some pictures of a test performed on a hamfest transformer. This transformer was tested to 1.5 Amps output and load tested for ten minutes at 1 Amp output. CLICK HERE
    CLICK HERE for information on the dummy load.

  • What happens if B+ shorts to ground? Where does that place B - (which isn't directly grounded)? This will cause B- to rise above ground to the full High Voltage power supply potential! CAUTION! This will blow up meters and metering circuits and bias supplies; possibly cause cathode to grid (ground) arcs, destroying tubes; plus, it can kill you! Remember, the B- is NOT normally at ground potential but is below ground potential by some amount determined by your bias circuit. There is a good bit written about providing protections for this event. Most of them detail using a diode with a large surge current capability to ground from the B- rail. This may actually be a string of diodes but the most important thing is that it carries a large surge current, shunting the rising voltage to ground and blowing a fuse. There is a high likelyhood that the diode will be shorted as it sacrifices itself to save you and the rest of your amp. Expect to have to replace the diode, your glitch resistor and fuses in the HV primary and / or secondary.

  • Are we going to use a HV interlock? Where? Is it going to short B+ or just turn it off? I think that an interlock that does any more than turn it off is a waste and dangerous. Shorting the HV with any kind of interlock is asking for damage to the supply. This doesn't mean that an interlock shouldn't be used. On the contrary, interlocks can help save your life but you can't depend on the interlock to replace your common sense. Most importantly, keep your hands out of the hot box!

  • Are you going to put a meter on the power supply indicating B+? I am... and a bright RED LED too.

  • Are you going to put any other indicator other than a meter on the power supply indicating that there is HIGH VOLTAGE? What would that be? Perhaps a bright red LED powered through a portion of the bleeder?




  • What is skin effect? The vast majority of the RF current flows on the surface of the conductor. That is why a large conductor is needed in the plate tank to prevent heating losses. A #12 wire may handle 20 amps at 60HZ but not nearly that much at 14 MHz. In high power RF environments, bigger is better. Silver plating helps lower the IR problem at VHF and UHF but has little effect at HF other than to make the tank circuit look nicer.




  • How much HV filter capacitance is enough? A minimum of 20uF and preferably at least 45uF should be used (from his parts list) for these voltages. Higher voltages may use less capacitance. Be careful, larger capacitors store more energy and stay charged for long periods of time. They can be charged and dangerous for days after removing the power from the mains.

  • What if you want to use one power supply for 2 (or more) RF decks? Then you have to consider some things that will help protect you, the amps and facilitate powering both of them. A few of these things might be:
    • Making sure that the blower for the proper amp is running (you do plan separate blowers don't you?)
    • Use a B2B vacuum relay to switch the high voltage to the proper amp; One for each and mounted in the power supply.
    • Lockout in the power supply which senses which amp is "on" so the other one can't be powered up (at least for B +) unless your supply is large enough to handle both at the same time.
    • Will you need a triode control board in each RF deck? You will have to think this through giving consideration to BIAS, METERING, LED STATUS INDICATORS, and control.
    • W4ZT - Some say share the board, some say don't. My gut feel is dedicate a board to each RF deck because of the differning bias requirements of each tube.

  • Physical layout of the RF deck will be limited by the components you have available. Once you have a layout that will work then the front panel layout has to be considered, including meters. If you look at all the pictures, you will see layouts in many different styles like meters across the top, meters stacked on one side, meters side by side in the middle. Try to visualize the placement of the two caps and the coil behind the panel and how they will limit where the meters can be placed. The front panel will also have switches and LEDs. The front panel layout is what you will see and live with every day so it deserves a lot of time making it what you want.

  • How do you test the High Voltage power supply under load without risking damage to your tube(s)?
    Can this be done? Can it be done safely? For how long? Can it be done without spending a fortune? Does it need to be done at all? Why?
    W4ZT - I think it needs to be done to insure that your power supply can and will provide the HV that you expect without a sudden breakdown with your tubes in circuit. It can be done safely and inexpensively with a little planning and work. Can you say high voltage dummy load? Click here for pictures.


  • Do we need to use a tuned input? Some people say that the GS-35B will present your exciter with an acceptable load but is that all there is to it? NO... there's more. The most important issue is overlooked when one doesn't use a tuned input. The issue of Inter Modulation Distortion (IMD) products stands proud. The tuned input circuit reduces the IMD a very significant amount. It is a wise thing to use a tuned input on your amp. Eimac's Care and Feeding section 6.1 says: "In a grounded-grid circuit the cathode, or input circuit, is in series with the plate circuit. Because of this, any change made in the plate circuit will have an effect on the input circuit. Therefore, the driver amplifier does not see its designed load until the driven stage is up to full plate current." Two important things come from that. First, the RF current path between cathode and ground will be through the tuned input. That means that if you depend on the output tuned circuit of your tranceiver, the amplifier RF current must flow through the coax to the transceiver. Second, the cathode input impedance is very dynamic and the tuned input with its flywheel effect helps smooth that out for the driving transmitter while keeping the RF current path short and contained within the amplifier.
    • One of the best discussions of the need for a good tuned input is by Rich Measures, AG6K, in his article about the Heathkit SB-220. You can read the entire document at http://www.somis.org/SB220ci.html and scroll down to the "Improving Input SWR" topic about 2/3 down in the page. In part Rich says the following:

      "The job of the tuned-input circuit is more complicated than just matching 50-ohms to the input-resistance of the amplifier-tubes.

      Here's why: The instantaneous input-resistance of a grounded-grid amplifier fluctuates wildly during the positive and negative voltage swings of the sinewave input signal.

      When the input cathode-voltage swings positive, the grounded-grid looks negative with respect to the cathode, and the current is completely cut-off, making the input-resistance nearly infinite.

      During the negative swing in input voltage, the grid looks more positive, and a large current flows in the tube, making the input-resistance very low.

      For example: a pair of 3-500Zs. When the driving voltage is peaking at negative 117v, the anode-current is at its maximum peak, and the instantaneous anode-voltage is swinging to its lowest point of c.+250v, the total, peak cathode-current is 3.4a.16 Thus, the driving resistance at this point, Rin c. 117v/3.4a c. 34.5-ohms, and, incredibly, Ppeak c. 117v x 3.4a c. 397w.

      Thus, the resistance swing is from near-infinite with positive driving voltage, all the way down to 34.5-ohms. [17] The instantaneous drive power requirement varies from 0w to 397w at the positive and negative peaks of the sinewave input voltage. This is not the type of load that makes for contented transistor-output transceivers.

      During the positive swing in input voltage, there is virtually no load on the driver, so the tuned-input circuit must store the energy until it is needed the most, during the negative crest in the input voltage.

      Thus, the tuned-input circuit's job is to act as a flywheel/energy storage system, and a matching transformer.

      Q is like the mass of a flywheel. More Q makes for a better flywheel, which does a better job of averaging the wild swings in input-resistance, giving a lower input-SWR. The tradeoff is that more Q means less bandwidth. This means that, with a high Q, the input SWR may be near-perfect at the center of the band, but too high at the band edges. Thus, a compromise must be made..." (AG6K)


      This is great reading and everyone should take the time to read the text to get an understanding of the need for a tuned input circuit.



  • What is the input impedance of the GS-35B cathode in Grounded Grid? This is a great question! There is no published data to tell us what it is. There are lots of opinions and you will have to consider each on their own merits. Seems that most folks think the actual effective input impedance is somewhere between 25 and 90 ohms. You should remember one important point. When a tube manufacturer specifies an input impedance for a particular tube that is the effective impedance that you should use to DESIGN a network to interface to. It is NOT to be considered RESISTANCE to drive directly with your exciter. The network that should be designed to match that impedance should be a pi-network. The pi-network provides some energy storage (the flywheel effect) which smooths the impedance match reflected back to your exciter. Your amp should never be run without a tuned input for this reason. See the tuned input values above. See the following thread for more:

  • Should the chimney be removable from the anode side of the chassis? This could aid in tube removal and installation but wont really be an issue with a short chimney. You will have to remove the anode cooler to deal with the grid ring clamps no matter what design you have chosen.

  • Filament / Cathode choke - rod or toroid? This discussion has taken many of us 'round and 'round. bottom line is that you need a core, whether rod or toroid, which will provide the inductance while not saturating when subjected to all the currents through the windings. The common practice of using a rod is certainly the most popular method of making the filament choke. A toroid with a slit cut in it will do exactly the same thing only wrapped into a smaller length. For the 3 Amps of filament current required by the GS-35B, a bifilar choke made with #18 enameled wire on a 3-1/2" long 3/8" diameter ferrite rod works fine.



  • What kind of Blower should I use? Cooling the GS-35B is very important. The minimum air flow is 90 cfm. The datasheets on most blowers will show the zero back pressure air flow and then a chart with air flow at different amounts of back pressure. A blower that will do 100 cfm at zero bp wont be enough. It will take one that will do about 140 cfm at zero bp. A blower of that size will have an air outlet that is near that of a 2" diameter round hole. There are several different types of flanged fittings that can be used for a hose if you mount it separately. The only down side to mounting the blower on the RF deck is noise. Of course that is how a large number are done and it will depend on the blower RPM too. I like a blower that turns around 1500 to 1700 RPM as opposed to a 3000 RPM blower. Grainger lists a large number of Dayton blowers and there are others to choose from as well. Take a look here: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/searchresults.jsp?mfgindx2=Blowers&mfgindx1=Dayton&search_type=mfgindx Take an example like item number 2C647, click on that number to see the data sheet. For that blower at 1500 RPM you will see that the air output is 134 CFM at zero bp but still 96 CFM at 0.4 inches of water. This would be a good candidate for your blower.